Question:
I am writing a paper for class on gay marriage and i need reasons why & why not it should be legalized.?
kaye22705
2006-09-04 19:28:04 UTC
This paper is for a Human Development class. Plz give a detailed answer not just "i dont agree with gay marriage or im pro gay marriage."

Thank you
33 answers:
Gabrielle
2006-09-04 19:31:14 UTC
We all have the right to pursue happiness in this country. Happiness for one may not be the same definition for another. But I think most people would agree that the pursuit of happiness includes the pursuit for romantic love, security, and family. The definition of what love is or what a family is can also be up to individual interpretation.

I was taught in Civics class that my rights end where another's begins. Gay marriage does not interfere with the rights of straight people, it doesn't touch straight people. However it seems that the rights of straight people are being allowed to interfere with those of homosexuals that want to enter into a legal communion and gain the security and recognition that is currently only granted to heterosexuals.



There are two reasons it isn't legal 1) certain religious views 2) those of us that disagree with the religious views aren't coming out in numbers to the polls in support of it. There is no logical reason *why* it shouldn't be legalized.
Shelli_k18
2006-09-04 20:13:10 UTC
Chew on these four thoughts:



Two reasons why gay marriage should be legalized:



A) Responcibilities for each others happiness are recognized by the courts, the couple can then like any other married couple, be held accountable for shortcomings during a messy divorce.



B) It was legal in the eyes of the lord, legal in the hearts of the ones betrothed, and no church has a right to say all kinds of persons are accepted, except for that one, they sin too much.



Two reasons NOT to legalize gay marriage:



A) Legal strife around religion has always been difficult. Thats why religion was taken out of schools. Marriage should not need legality, not even man to woman.



B) Gay denotes happiness, how can we possibly legalize happy marriages? Since no real marriage stays happy..



To be sure, marraige is defined by

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

A marriage is a relationship between or among individuals ...(has) dual nature of a binding legal contract plus a moral promise.



Now, in one wedding vow, the 'bride' was suppose to say 'to obey'.. somehow, this is seen as archaic, yet for two men to find compromise, that's too new age?
Rich
2006-09-04 19:48:32 UTC
The government has no business interfering in the personal lives of its citizens its a matter of liberty. If two people engage in a contract that hurts no one else its not the governments business. IF you feel that marriage is a religious act well then the government shall not establish a religion or make religious rules. It has been proved over and over again by science not superstition that homosexuals are born homosexuals to discriminate against them for the way they are born is also against the law.

What the bible says does not apply unless you apply every other law of the bible I'm already circumcised so I'M not too worried about that but all these Christians who eat pork and are not pure should be.IN fact they should be worried about the rule Jesus spoke of more than any other Don't judge unless you are without sin. Don't be like the pharisees and be hypocrites.IN a world where children starve nations fight nations millions of poor. WHat do talk about Gay marriage. You should tell your human relations teacher to talk about a topic that isnt a scheme to get peoples minds off the war. Talk about that.
anonymous
2006-09-04 19:37:07 UTC
It isn't a sin, and it doesn't destroy society. Those are not reasons, they are assertions from a particular GROUP of religious denominations. Which of course is the problem with the whole thing.



There is no threat, all of that rhetoric is simply a method of trying to keep moderates opposed while a certain subgroup of denominations manipulate the government to crush the rights of another subgroup of denominations.



I support governmental recognition of all marriages performed by recognized religious group, and that is the secret about the gay marriage question.



The gay marriage fight is really a battle between two groups of religious denominations - Christian and other in both cases. That battle is being missed by the media, and I believe that the battle threatens democracy in America.



One of the reasons for the Revolution, in which ancestors of mine fought -- was to establish freedom of religion in the new nation. Now, we are throwing that away, because contrary to what those on the Right would like you to think, this is not a battle between "people of faith" and "atheists" or some such -- this is a battle between two groups of people of faith, using the government to establish one side’s views -- the EXACT THING that the anti-establishmentarian clause of the Constitution is there to prevent.



Of course no one should "make" those whose faiths oppose gay marriage perform such marriages, and no one ever would. So ministers from the Southern Baptists and Assemblies of God and Ultra-Orthodox Jews and Fundamentalist Muslims should never be asked to perform gay marriages, and certainly not forced to.



On the other hand, why should faith groups that support gay marriage -- such as the United Church of Christ, the Unitarian/Universalist Society, the North American Spiritualist Church, Reform Judaism, and the Correllian Tradition of Wicca -- all recognized Churches and 501c3s be barred from practicing their religious faiths, which say it is ok to marry same sex couples?



The first group of faith groups is realistically using the government to prevent the second group of faith groups from practicing what they believe and having it legally recognized. The founders tried to prevent this, for the stability of the country. It doesn't matter that everyone "thinks" they are right and others are wrong -- it matters that we are plural as a society and the government should recognize everyone's ceremonies the same -- which means that gay marriages committed by churches and faith groups that believe in gay marriages, should be honored by the government regardless of what groups that don't like it say.



Everyone's beliefs can be honored, thus preserving the values that my 12 times removed Great Grandfather died for -- but not if we allow one side to legislate away the rights of the other side.



Since I do not believe the government should be used to control religious belief -- I think that the government should recognize gay marriage, when performed by members of clergy -- and should create a civil union equivalent for those interested only in secular marriage.



Otherwise we should stop saying we don't have an establishment of religion.



Regards,



Reynolds Jones

http://www.rebuff.org

believeinyou24@yahoo.com
cats4ever2k1
2006-09-04 19:33:29 UTC
gay marriage is good because it allows people to express themselves and be with the one they love. Gay marriage is wrong because it goes against the laws of nature. If every person on planey was to go gay- their would be no more children and the human race would die and become nonexistant. I dont think we should hinder free will to be with the person we love however i dont agree its right to alllow gay marriage because marriage is a binding contract of love between a woman and a man. The entire point of marriage is really to continue the human race with offspring. I also dont beilive gay marriage should be allow to raise children, because how should a child come to know the norm of society, and if so what about the opposite sex's lessons of life, and having both role models in ones life. Futher more I do agree that not all familys that are straight are perfect either. In the end, I remain netural. Not for it, not against it. Lol.
prettyat23
2006-09-04 20:04:14 UTC
I was raised by a lesbian mother and I totally disagree and think it should be banned. Why can't a person just be gay, why do they have to take the title of marriage. Why should it be banned, I'll tell you why. If it does become legalized, preachers will begin to get sued for discrimination if they refuse to preform ceremonies. Also, for the children involved. My childhood was a living hell. I had hell lying to my friends about how my mom's girlfriends were my aunts. It's hell on a childs self esteem. Imagine having sleepovers as a child and children coming over to your house and your mother is shacking up with another woman. That is if the parents even allowed their children over to my house in the first place. And though being raised by homosexuals didn't make me gay, it made me the complete opposite.I got into sex and all kinds of stuff at a very early age trying to prove I wasn't like her. Let's allow the prostitutes to screw in the broad daylight, let the nudists walk around naked. Like gay people, they're not hurting anyone right? Aren't they just trying to be happy?
MysticTortoise
2006-09-04 20:11:22 UTC
If anything, the above answer (brookepotts) proved why it should be legalized. Gay people are already looked down on in society, and that's what causes the problems. If you give gay/lesbian couples equal rights, and allow them to function in society just like everyone else, soon people will begin to realize that they are just like everyone else.





I really think you should make sure to mention in your paper that you've had difficulty coming up with legitimate reasons why gay marriage shouldn't be aloud. That alone is quite a powerful argument for why it should be allowed.
angelic_devil30
2006-09-04 22:30:06 UTC
thats all crap. Gay people should have the same right. Marriage is the joing of two people in love. There are places in the world where it is legal and if it stays this way where there is only a small potion of places you can get married we will eventually see a popultion of these areas increase. It's un fair on the gay people who still value the idea of marriage.
mother_of_bonehead
2006-09-04 19:45:21 UTC
if you are in the Us then a reason for it stems from our own laws already in effect stating the governtment gives us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Who we marry makes us happy. Not being able to marry who we wish to interferes with our right of happiness. Not to mention there is also a seperation of church and state. Saying it is a sin interferes with those laws and there fore is not an answer to the question. We also have many privacy acts in the Us and a marriage, once the paper is filed, becomes a part of our private lives. So where in here does the government have the right to say we can not do in our own homes as we chose, so long as we are not harming others?



Ps My Favorite Uncle was gay and i saw him suffer for the lack of ablity to marry the one person in the world he loved the most, simply because he was also a man. GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
Pepsi
2006-09-08 14:44:42 UTC
Moon-Shadow who like I was taught Your rights end where another persons begins wants to see if she can get straight people to condone improper sexual behavior. Trying to manipulate the straights is not leaving well enough alone, it is interfering with the straight point of view.



Hopefully this is college. I don't think it should be a subject for grade school or high school. It is a subject that is too deep for their shallow mines. I don't think it should be a subject for first year college students either. I think they need a little growing up time emotionally, mentally socially and physically before they delve into the deep well of thought. I wouldn't want them to snap a mental brain cell.
leannainpa
2006-09-04 19:34:47 UTC
Why it should -- Because marriage is not a religious institution, it is a political institution. The moment we say that two same sex people cannot get married because of religious reasons we are disregarding the seperation of church and state.



Marriage is a legal entity recognized by our government to give rights and privileges.



We confuse marriage because it is one place where things tend to blend with church and state -- Some of us get married in some sort of religious capacity, but the real benefits are felt through the gov't.



For me, love knows no sex or gender... if two people are in love and they believe passionately in their relationship to make it life-long, then have at it.



It has nothing to do with God -- yours, mine or otherwise.
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2016-10-01 11:57:14 UTC
using fact who the hell desires to place in writing "be a customer at our civil union" on an invite card? jogs my memory all to lots using fact the "separate yet equivalent" bullcrap the blacks went by way of... :/ only using fact it has each and all of the comparable rights does not recommend this is only as sturdy. human beings desire to get MARRIED... not "union'd"! exceedingly once you're gay and additionally Christian or area of a faith the place marriage is a significant deal. Like different mentioned, it isn't the comparable element. Marriage is a deal dealt with via the STATE... the only motives against gay marriage are from the CHURCH. In American, there is the Separation of Church and State-- so as that they could desire to purely legalize it and keep the Church out of State company. If church homes do not desire to accomplish ceremonies for gay human beings, this is their very own decision, yet they could desire to not be allowed to strip human beings of the suited to honestly marry. Oi. unhappy worldwide.
Silvatungfox
2006-09-04 19:48:25 UTC
I do hope that you do some research other than asking here as I see a great deal of misquoting the bible here.



The only reason not to legalize gay marriage would be to deny equal rights to about 20% of the population. To deny that same segment of the population equal recourse under the law, equal standing to the IRS, educational benefits, insurance benefits, joint property rights etc etc etc.



The reason to legalize gay marriage is to grant the same rights to all citizens in this country. This I believe to be one of the founding father's main purposes in writing the Constitution..



You can keep your religious prejudices off my life anytime now. I should not have to take a back door into the rights granted "straight" folks who are automatically granted right of survivorship, joint insurance rates, joint tax returns etc etc etc.



If you are for equality for all men (in this case meaning mankind) in this country it is hypocritical to deny the rights afforded to married couples from those who choose to marry the same sex.



I see some responses talking about the decay of civilization etc, well seems to me the decay of democracy is where you change the rules and make a segment of your population less than worthy of the same freedoms you say you stand for.
JR
2006-09-04 19:41:29 UTC
There seem to be a lot of bible thumpers hanging out on this section of ya tonight eh?



how does it destroy society? Seriously? Does a gay couple getting married somehow have a negative effect on your own marriage? If it does you probably should seek some counseling if it bothers you that much honey.
anonymous
2006-09-08 13:37:12 UTC
this question is truly subjective...you either support it or you dont....



some reasons it should be legalized~

-it shouldnt matter the gender of two people, if they love each other, they should be allowed to be married

-people who dont support it could just ignore it...they dont have to get into other peoples business

-in the bible, it says that marriage should be between a man or a woman, but not all people believe in Chrisitanity and the Bible, so they should be able to do what they want!!
Think.for.your.self
2006-09-04 19:38:17 UTC
Love makes a family is non-profit group lobbying to get gay marriage passed. I volunteer with it. Visit their site. The issues are pretty well explained. There are a few fact sheets.



http://www.lmfct.org/splashpage.html
anonymous
2006-09-04 19:37:40 UTC
Gay marriage should not be legalized because it devalues the priorities of the family structure. It creates confusion among otherwise healthy young adults and belittles the institution of marriage between the opposite sexes. It may indeed damage children psychologically as well. Since time immortal men and women have joined in matrimony, and yet now the liberal mind set, in its quest to legalize a disgusting practice, is trying to legitimize it and destroy the family as history has known it. It is wrong, it is despicable and it should never be legitimized.
BRE
2006-09-04 19:55:29 UTC
A marriage is a covenant acknowledged by both the church and by the state which protects children/heirs of that union.



If there are no children/heirs of that union there is no real reason for the covenant to be a marriage.



A legal contract defining rights survival-ship should be enough.
Rabbit
2006-09-05 13:42:24 UTC
Marriages have always, throughout human experience, been a process to define and protect a person's family and heritage. Typically, with rare exception, a woman married as a virgin, inexperienced with sex. The man, likewise, was ideally supposed to be a virgin, inexperienced with sex. Moralists today would say that this gave them protection from disease and prevented a degree of dissatisfaction--as in my previous sexual partner did this or that better. But for most of humanity, the virginity issue was to say that there were no other children. She will not have his other children to compete with her children. He will not have to support children of some other man. Remember too, that in most of civilized human experience, there was a division of labor, the men worked to provide what the family needed in terms of food, shelter, and general social standing. The woman worked at home to provide the nurturing and nurishing things for the man and their children with what the man provided. If either brought responsibilities for other children of other matings, it was not only a devaluation of their social standing but a lot of extra work, sometimes seemingly wasted work. Another feature was that the children a marriage produced were a support resource in old age. When old and infirm, one's children or children's children would provide home and nourishment when the individual was no longer able to take care of his or her self.



In this context, homosexual connections obviously violate the practice of marriage in that they are unions not intending to produce children and perpetuate one's lineage and social standing. Homosexual unions were a dead-end. They may adopt, but the children were not their children. Whether two men or two women, there were no role-models of what the children were intended to pattern themselves after. If, with two men, would an adopted daughter of such a couple really know, really learn, what it is like to be a woman? If, with two women, would an adopted son of such a couple really know, really learn, what it is to be man? Any biological produce of such a union is also, of necessity, an illegitimate one--a man would have to father a child with a woman, violating the sense of exclusivity that is inherent with marriage. A woman would have to be impregnated by a man, violating the sense of exclusivity that is inherent with marriage. A same-sex marriage may have the show of normalcy, but be nothing of that which humans have long considered normal.



Strange, how people that are so purposely trying to be different want so much to be the same. Equally strange, many homosexuals are famous for their promoscuity--they have many partners over their lives, but they want to settle on one, something heterosexuals have difficulty doing--which is setting things up for failure.



Finally, there are homosexuals that seem to discover it pretty well by themselves. For such to presume to mate is one thing, but there is a practice sometimes called recruiting. Homosexuals look for vulnerabilities and actively evangelize potential mating partners, selling them on the idea that they too are homosexuals as well. It isn't just bad for grown men to persuade young girls into having sex with them, but grown men also use similar efforts to persuade young boys, though usually different men. We know the one is wrong, we need to recognize the other is wrong too, but it is how some homosexuals reproduce, by recruitment. Eloquent and respectable adults can sell anything to young and impressionable children. Now they are adding respectibility by legitimizing their unions as marriage, even though it does not serve the purposes of marriage--producing children within one's family, extending the influence of one's family genepool.
anonymous
2006-09-04 19:45:18 UTC
Dang, you are either a fool or clever at getting other people to do you homework for you.



Try some research to open that narrow mind. Visit a gay community center, but I suggest you keep your mouth shut and just listen.
anonymous
2006-09-04 20:10:19 UTC
it should not be legalized. gay marriage can never be in human nature. the purpose of marriage to have children and grow them up and make them useful for the society. a man and a woman can only do so.

i read dome answers , it's said that marriage is about love and they can marry because they love each other. so if i love my pet can i marry it? it's also about love!

marriage needs something more than love. . .

also, gay marriage is purposeless, what is the purpose of gay marriage? is it that they only love each other?they still can love each other but not married.marriage of a man and a man, a woman and a woman is nonsense.

it also destroys society.
john
2006-09-04 20:15:42 UTC
if the gay community would leave they word marriage out.



but they wont, the gays have no respect for hetro marriage as the hetro has no respect for gays...



If the gays would be better then the hetro and change the word to union or whatever... then everyone would be better off..



It should be legalized this is a nation that has a free will as long as there is no physical harm to anyone
abgirl
2006-09-04 20:34:11 UTC
it should be legalized because you love who you love. gays are the ones who have to answer to it in the end. you should ask yourself some questions. to you belive its wrong because you were told that? or do you feel its wrong. god gave us choices some choose to be with the same sex. some choose the quote on quote right way but never really find happiness. to each his own. i do belive it should be censored though if you really want detailed answers ask detailed questions
day dreamin baby
2006-09-04 19:30:05 UTC
Well, I don't think that gays should be married b/c in the bible it says that marriage is the joining between a man and a woman.
anonymous
2006-09-04 19:33:12 UTC
You could go the route of a religious notion that marrige is between a man and a woman for the purpose of procreation; reproduction, making babies.
rapturefuture
2006-09-04 19:30:55 UTC
Secular answer!!! It destroys society.
anonymous
2006-09-04 19:31:39 UTC
How about God's reason?

" Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, NOR HOMOSEXUALS.....shall inherit the kingdom of God" ...



Scriptures say exactly why the wrath of God abides on the homosexuals:

"For the wrath of God is reveal from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who withhold the truth in unrighteousness.... because when they knew God they glorified Him not as God,.... Professing themselves to wise, they became fools, ..... Wherefore God gave them up to uncleaness...to dishonor their bodies among themselves...Who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worship and served the creature more than the Creator... FOR THIS CAUSE God gave them up to vile affections....and likewise the men also, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men with men,... receiving in themselves THE JUST RECOMPENSE FOR THEIR ERROR,... God gave then over to a reprobate mind,.... filled with all unrighteousness, ...full of envy, murder, deceit,....haters of God,...proud,...without understanding,...who, KNOWING THE JUDGMENT OF GOD, that they which commit such things ARE WORTHY OF (ETERNAL) DEATH..." (Romans 1: 18-32
A REAL American
2006-09-04 20:43:57 UTC
two guys in a wedding dress and bridemaids with beards-- UGLY
HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2006-09-04 19:32:27 UTC
i think they should cause why should the goverment have any saying of who you fall in love with
unseen_force_22
2006-09-04 19:33:28 UTC
Who are we to say? Who am I to say?
LORD Z
2006-09-04 19:32:21 UTC
Pro:



It is passive sexual dicrimination.



Anti:



It is passive religious persecution.
terryshawn1975
2006-09-04 19:31:37 UTC
against it.. they cant procreat..right now anyway.. marriage is about man and woman and children if they can have them..
Bearable
2006-09-04 21:21:26 UTC
only posting this babe because you got so many small minded and bigoted answers and a full damnation vote from the god botherers...use it all and hope your paper goes well ...







GAY MARRIAGE



More than half of all people in the United States oppose gay marriage, even though three fourths are otherwise supportive of gay rights. This means that many of the same people who are even passionately in favor of gay rights oppose gays on this one issue.



Why all the passion?



It's because there is a lot of misunderstanding about what homosexuality really is, as well as the erroneous assumption that gay people enjoy the same civil rights protections as everyone else. There are also a lot of stereotypes about gay relationships, and even a great deal of misunderstanding of what marriage itself is all about and what its purpose is.



The purpose of this essay, then, is to clear up a few of these misunderstandings and discuss some of facts surrounding gay relationships and marriage, gay and straight.



First, let's discuss what gay relationships are really all about. The stereotype has it that gays are promiscuous, unable to form lasting relationships, and the relationships that do form are shallow and uncommitted. And gays do have such relationships!



But the important fact to note is that just like in straight society, where such relationships also exist, they are a small minority, and exist primarily among the very young. Indeed, one of the most frequent complaints of older gay men is that it is almost impossible to find quality single men to get into a relationship with, because they're already all 'taken!'



If you attend any gay event, such as a Pride festival or a PFLAG convention, you'll find this to be true. As gays age and mature, just like their straight cohorts, they begin to appreciate and find their way into long-term committed relationships.



The values that such gay couples exhibit in their daily lives are often indistinguishable from those of their straight neighbors. They're loyal to their mates, are monogamous, devoted partners. They value and participate in family life, are committed to making their neighborhoods and communities safer and better places to live, and honor and abide by the law. Many make valuable contributions to their communities, serving on school boards, volunteering in community charities, and trying to be good citizens. In doing so, they take full advantage of their relationship to make not only their own lives better, but those of their neighbors as well.



A benefit to heterosexual society of gay marriage is the fact that the commitment of a marriage means the participants are discouraged from promiscous sex. This has the advantage of slowing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, which know no sexual orientation and are equal opportunity destroyers.



These benefits of gay marriage have changed the attitudes of the majority of people in Denmark and other countries where various forms of gay marriage have been legal for years. Polling results now show that most people there now recognize that the benefits far outweigh the trivial costs, and that far from threatening heterosexual marriage, gay where various forms of gay marriage have been legal for years. Polling results now show that most people there now recognize that the benefits far outweigh the trivial costs, and that far from threatening heterosexual marriage, gay marriage has actually strenghtened it.



So, having established the value of gay marriage, why are people so opposed to it?



Many of the reasons offered for opposing gay marriage are based on the assumption that gays have a choice in who they can feel attracted to, and the reality is quite different. Many people actually believe that gays could simply choose to be heterosexual if they wished. But the reality is that very few do have a choice -- any more than very few heterosexuals could choose which sex to find themselves attracted to.



Additionally, many people continue to believe the propaganda from right-wing religious organizations that homosexuality is about nothing but sex, considering it to be merely a sexual perversion. The reality is that homosexuality is multidimensional, and is much more about love and affection than it is about sex. And this is what gay relationships are based on -- mutual attraction, love and affection. Sex, in a committed gay relationship, is merely a means of expressing that love, just the same as it is for heterosexuals. Being gay is much more profound than simply a sexual relationship; being gay is part of that person's core indentity, and goes right the very center of his being. It's like being black in a society of whites, or a blonde European in a nation of black-haired Asians. Yes, being gay is just that profound to the person who is. This is something that few heterosexuals can understand unless they are part of a minority themselves.





The Arguments Against Gay Marriage



Well, of course there are a lot of reasons being offered these days for opposing gay marriage, and they are usually variations on a few well-established themes. Interestingly, a court in Hawaii has recently heard them all. And it found, after due deliberation, that they didn't hold water.

Here's a summary:



Marriage is an institution between one man and one woman. Well, that's the most often heard argument, one even codified in a recently passed U.S. federal law. Yet it is easily the weakest. Who says what marriage is and by whom it is to be defined? The married? The marriable? Isn't that kind of like allowing a banker to decide who is going to own the money in stored in his vaults? It seems to me that justice demands that if the straight community cannot show a compelling reason to deny the institution of marriage to gay people, it shouldn't be denied. And such simple, nebulous declarations, with no real moral argument behind them, are hardly compelling reasons. They're really more like an expression of prejudice than any kind of a real argument. The concept of not denying people their rights unless you can show a compelling reason to deny them is the very basis of the American ideal of human rights.



Same-sex couples aren't the optimum environment in which to raise children. That's an interesting one, in light of who society does allow to get married and bring children into their marriage. Check it out: murderers, convicted felons of all sorts, even known child molesters are all allowed to freely marry and procreate, and do so every day, with hardly a second thought, much less a protest, by these same critics. So if children are truly the priority here, why is this allowed? The fact is that many gay couples raise children, adopted and occasionally their own from failed attempts at heterosexual marriages. Lots and lots of scientific studies have shown that the outcomes of the children raised in the homes of gay and lesbian couples are just as good as those of straight couples. The differences have been shown again and again to be insignificant. Psychologists tell us that what makes the difference is the love and commitment of the parents, not their gender. The studies are very clear about that. And gay people are as capable of loving children as fully as anyone else.



Gay relationships are immoral. Says who? The Bible? Somehow, I always thought that freedom of religion implied the right to freedom from religion as well. The Bible has absolutely no standing in American law, as was made clear by the intent of the First Amendment (and as was very explicitly stated by the founding fathers in their first treaty, the Treaty of Tripoli, in 1791) and because it doesn't, no one has the right to impose rules anyone else simply because of something they percieve to be a moral injunction mandated by the Bible. Not all world religions have a problem with homosexuality; many sects of Buddhism, for example, celebrate gay relationships freely and would like to have the authority to make them legal marriages. In that sense, their religious freedom is being infringed. If one believes in religious freedom, the recognition that opposition to gay marriage is based on religious arguments is reason enough to discount this argument.



Marriages are for procreation and ensuring the continuation of the species. The proponents of this argument are really hard pressed to explain, if that's the case, why infertile couples are allowed to marry. I, for one, would love to be there when the proponent of such an argument is to explain to his post-menopausal mother or impotent father that since they cannot procreate, they must now surrender their wedding rings and sleep in separate bedrooms. That would be fun to watch! Again, such an argument fails to persuade based on the kinds of marriages society does allow routinely, without even a second thought, and why it really allows them - marriage is about love, sharing and commitment; procreation is, when it comes right down to it, in reality a purely secondary function.



The proponents of the procreation and continuation-of-the-species argument are going to have a really hard time persuading me that the human species is in any real danger of dying out anytime soon through lack of reproductive success.



If ten percent of all the human race that is gay were to suddenly, totally refrain from procreation, I think it is safe to say that the world would probably be significantly better off. One of the world's most serious problems is overpopulation and the increasing anarchy and human misery that is resulting from it. Seems to me that gays would be doing the world a really big favor by not bringing more hungry mouths into a world that is already critically overburdened ecologically by the sheer number of humans it must support. So what is the useful purpose to be served in mindlessly encouraging yet more human reproduction?



Same-sex marriage would threaten the institution of marriage. Well, that one's contradictory right on the face of it. Threaten marriage? By allowing people to marry? That doesn't sound very logical to me. If you allow gay people to marry each other, you no longer encourage them to marry people to whom they feel little attraction, with whom they most often cannot relate adequately sexually, bringing innocent children into already critically stressed marriages. By allowing gay marriage, you would reduce the number of opposite-sex marriages that end up in the divorce courts. If it is the stability of the institution of heterosexual marriage that worries you, then consider that no one would require you or anyone else to participate in a gay marriage. You would still have freedom of choice, of choosing which kind of marriage to participate in -- something more than what you have now. And speaking of divorce -- to argue that the institution of marriage is worth preserving at the cost of requiring involuntary participants to remain in it is a better argument for reforming divorce laws than proscribing gay marriage.



Marriage is traditionally a heterosexual institution. This is morally the weakest argument. Slavery was also a traditional institution, based on traditions that went back to the very beginnings of human history - further back, even, than marriage as we know it. But by the 19th century, humanity had generally recognized the evils of that institution, and has since made a serious effort to abolish it. Why not recognize the truth -- that there is no moral ground on which to support the tradition of marriage as a strictly heterosexual institution, and remove the restriction?



Same-sex marriage is an untried social experiment. The American critics of same-sex marriage betray their provincialism with this argument. The fact is that a form of gay marriage has been legal in Denmark since 1989 (full marriage rights except for adoption rights and church weddings, and a proposal now exists in the Danish parliament to allow both of those rights as well), and most of the rest of Scandinavia from not long after. Full marriage rights have existed in many Dutch cities for several years, and it was recently made legal nationwide, including the word "marriage" to describe it. In other words, we have a long-running "experiment" to examine for its results -- which have uniformly been positive. Opposition to the Danish law was led by the clergy (much the same as in the States). A survey conducted at the time revealed that 72 percent of Danish clergy were opposed to the law. It was passed anyway, and the change in the attitude of the clergy there has been dramatic -- a survey conducted in 1995 indicated that 89 percent of the Danish clergy now admit that the law is a good one and has had many beneficial effects, including a reduction in suicide, a reduction in the spread of sexually transmitted diseases and in promiscuity and infidelity among gays. Far from leading to the "destruction of Western civilization" as some critics (including the Southern Baptist, Mormon and Catholic churches among others) have warned, the result of the "experiment" has actually been civilizing and strengthening, not just to the institution of marriage, but to society as a whole. So perhaps we should accept the fact that someone else has already done the "experiment" and accept the results as positive. The fact that many churches are not willing to accept this evidence says more about the churches than it does about gay marriage.



Same-sex marriage would start us down a "slippery slope" towards legalized incest, bestial marriage, polygamy and all kinds of other horrible consequences. A classic example of the reductio ad absurdum fallacy, it is calculated to create fear in the mind of anyone hearing the argument. It is, of course, absolutely without any merit based on experience. If the argument were true, wouldn't that have already happened in countries where forms of legalized gay marriage already exist? Wouldn't they have 'slid' towards legalized incest and bestial marriage? The reality is that a form of gay marriage has been legal in Scandinavian countries for over many years, and no such legalization has happened, nor has there been a clamor for it. It's a classic scare tactic - making the end scenario so scary and so horrible that the first step should never be taken. Such are the tactics of the fear and hatemongers.



If concern over the "slippery slope" were the real motive behind this argument, the advocate of this line of reasoning would be equally vocal about the fact that today, even as you read this, convicted murderers, child molesters, known pedophiles, drug pushers, pimps, black market arms dealers, etc., are quite free to marry, and are doing so. Where's the outrage? Of course there isn't any, and that lack of outrage betrays their real motives. This is an anti-gay issue and not a pro marriage issue.



Granting gays the right to marry is a "special" right. Since ninety percent of the population already have the right to marry the informed, consenting adult of their choice, and would even consider that right a fundamental, constitutionally protected right, since when does extending it to the remaining ten percent constitute a "special" right to that remaining ten percent? As Justice Kennedy observed in his opinion overturning Colorado's infamous Amendment 2 (Roemer vs. Evans), many gay and lesbian Americans are, under current law, denied civil rights protections that others either don't need or assume that everyone else along with themselves, already have. The problem with all that special rights talk is that it proceeds from that very assumption, that because of all the civil rights laws in this country that everyone is already equal, so therefore any rights gay people are being granted must therefore be special. That is most assuredly not the case, especially regarding marriage and all the legal protections that go along with it.



Sodomy should be illegal and was until very recently. Ah, the ol' sodomy law argument! Why was sodomy illegal in so many states for so long? Because conservative religionists (at whose behest those laws were enacted in the first place) historically blocked or vigorously resisted attempts to repeal them in every state, and were horrified when the U.S. Supreme Court recently overturned the ones that remained.



Indeed, those laws were very rarely enforced (though it did happen), yet there was very stiff and angry opposition to their repeal. Why? Because they were a great tool for a homophobe to use as a basis for legalized discrimination. "Why should I rent an apartment to you, an unconvicted felon?" "I can't have an admitted criminal on my staff." "You're an unconvicted felon. I want you out of my restarurant and off my property." "I don't want you around my children. You're a sex offender!" These were very real, actual arguments that were used frequently as a basis for legalized discrimination, using largely unenforced sodomy laws. So even though this particular moral crusade of the religionists using the power of the police has ended, at least for now, the sodomy laws that made them possible are still being pushed, and pushed hard. Crass politicians, including even president George W. Bush, see votes in homophobia, and continue to push for sodomy law reinstatement as a means of securing those votes. And such laws, which have thoroughly discriminatory effects by intention, will likely will be advocated for as long as politicians see votes in allowing conservative religionists to impose their morality on others, regardless of the violence this does to the intent of the Bill of Rights.



Heterosexuals would never stand for such intrusion into their private sex lives, of course, but the homophobes among them seem to see nothing wrong in using the power of the state to enforce their prejudices. State court systems, however, long ago began to see the violation of the Fourth Amendment in such laws, and nearly as many state sodomy laws were overturned as unconstitutional by state supreme courts as were repealed by state legislatures, before the recent U.S. Supreme Court in Lawrence vs. Texas decision which very pointedly overturned all that remained.



Gay marriage would mean forcing businesses to provide benefits to same-sex couples on the same basis as opposite-sex couples. While this may or may not be true (based primarily on state labor laws), the reality is that many businesses already do offer these benefits to gay couples, and for sound business reasons. And experience has shown that when they do, the effect on their costs for offering these benefits is minimal - very rarely does the cost of benefits offered to gay couples cause the business' benefits costs to rise by more than 1.5%. This trivial cost is usually far more than offset by the fact that the company is seen as being progressive for having offered these benefits - making its stock much more attractive to socially progressive mutual funds and rights-conscious pension funds and individual investors, and thus increasing upwards pressure on its price. This is why so many corporations, including most of the Fortune 500, already offer these benefits without being required to do so - it's just good business sense.



Gay marriage would force churches to marry gay couples when they have a moral objection to doing so. This argument, usually advanced by churches that oppose gay marriage, is simply not true. There is nothing in any marriage law, existing or proposed, anywhere in the United States, that does or would have the effect of requiring any church to marry any couple they do not wish to marry. Churches already can refuse any couple they wish, and for any reason that suits them, which many often do, and that would not change. Some churches continue to refuse to marry interracial couples, others interreligious couples, and a few refuse couples with large age disparities and for numerous other reasons. Gay marriage would not change any church's right to refuse to sanctify any marriage entirely as they wish - it would simply offer churches the opportunity to legally marry gay couples if they wish, as some have expressed the desire to do - the freedom of religion would actually be expanded, not contracted.





The real reasons people oppose gay marriage



So far, we've examined the reasons everyone talks about for opposing gay marriage. Now, let's examine now the real reasons, deep down inside, that people oppose it, hate it, even fear it:

Just not comfortable with the idea. The fact the people aren't comfortable with the idea stems primarily from the fact that for many years, society has promoted the idea that a marriage between members of the same sex is ludicrous, mainly because of the objections raised above. But if those objections don't make sense, neither does the idea that gay marriage is necessarily ludicrous. Societies have long recognized that allowing civil rights to certain groups may offend some, and at times, even the majority. But that is why constitutional government was established -- to ensure that powerless, unpopular minorities are still protected from the tyranny of the majority. Simple discomfort with a proposal is no reasonable basis for not allowing it - how many Southern whites were once uncomfortable with allowing blacks to ride in the front of the bus, or allowing black children to attend the same schools as their own, or drink at the same drinking fountain? Half a century ago, those ideas were just as unthinkable - yet nowadays, hardly anybody sees them as a problem, seeing the fears as nothing more than racism, pure and simple.



It offends everything religion stands for. Whose religion? Many mainstream Christian denominations, to be sure, and definitely most branches of Islam and Orthodox Judaism, but outside those, most religions are unopposed to gay marriage, and many actually favor it. When the Mormon church arrogantly claimed to represent all religions in the Baehr vs. Lewin trial in Hawaii, the principal Buddhist sect in that state made it very clear that the Mormon church didn't represent them, and made it very clear that they support the right of gay couples to marry. That particular Buddhist sect claims many more members in Hawaii than does the Mormon church. In a society that claims to offer religious freedom, the use of the power of the state to enforce private religious sensibilities is an affront to all who would claim the right to worship according to the dictates of their own conscience.



Marriage is a sacred institution. This is, of course, related to the motive above. But it is really subtly different. It's based on the assumption that the state has the responsibility to "sanctify" marriages - a fundamentally religious idea. Here we're dealing with people trying to enforce their religious doctrines on someone else, but by doing it through weakening the separation of church and state, by undermining the Bill of Rights. Not that there's anything new about this, of course. But the attempt itself runs against the grain of everything the First Amendment stands for - one does not truly have freedom of religion if one does not have the right to freedom from religion as well. It would seem to me that anyone who feels that the sanctity of their marriage is threatened by a gay couple down the street having the right to marry, is mighty insecure about their religion and their marriage anyway.



Gay sex is unnatural. This argument, often encoded in the very name of sodomy statutes ("crime against nature"), betrays a considerable ignorance of behavior in the animal kingdom. The fact is that among the approximately 1500 animal species whose behavior has been extensively studied, homosexual behavior in animals has been described in at least 450 of those species. It runs the gamut, too, ranging from occasional displays of affection to life-long pair bonding including sex and even adopting and raising orphans, going so far as the rejection by force of potential heterosexual partners, even when in heat. The reality is that it is so common that it begs an explanation, and sociobiologists have proposed a wide variety of explanations to account for it. The fact that it is so common also means that it clearly has evolutionary significance, which applies as much to humans as it does to other animal species.



Making love to another man betrays everything that is masculine. Well, I've known (and dated) plenty of very masculine gay men in my day, including champion bull-riding rodeo cowboys and a Hell's Angel biker type, who, if you suggested he is a limp-wristed fairy, would likely rip your head off and hand it to you. There was a long-honored tradition of gay relationships among the tough and macho cowboys of the Old West, and many diaries still exist detailing their loving and tender relationships out on the range, and the many sacrifices they made for each other. Plenty of masculine, respected movies stars are gay - indeed, Rock Hudson was considered the very archtype of a masculine man. Came as quite a shock to a lot of macho-men to find out he was gay! So what's wrong with all these kinds of men expressing love for each other? Why is that so horrible about it? A society that devalues love devalues that upon which civilized society itself is based - love and commitment.



The core fear here is the fear of rape and a loss of control or status as a masculine man. This is instinctual and goes right to the core of our being as primates. If you examine what happens in many animal species, especially displays of dominance in other primate species, dominance displays often have sexual overtones. When, for example, in many species of primates, a subordinate male is faced with aggression by a dominant male, the dominant male will bite the subordinate, causing him to squeal in pain, drop the food or the female and present his rump. This is an act of submission, and it is saying to the whole troupe that the subordinate is just that - subordinate.



This happens in humans just as it does in other primates. It is the cause of homosexual rape in prisons. Homosexual intercourse in prisons is not an act of sex as much as it is an expression of dominance and a means of control. Nearly all of the men who aggressively rape other men in a prison setting actually revert to (often promiscuous) heterosexual sex once they're on the outside.



So is this something straight men should fear from gay men? Well, you can relax, all you straight guys. You've nothing to worry about. The vast majority of gay men prefer sex in the same emotional setting most of you do - as a part of the expression of mutual love, affection and commitment. We're not out to rape you or force you into a subordinate position. The majority of gay men don't want sex with you because we're looking for the same thing in a sexual relationship that you look for - the love and affection of a devoted partner. Since we're not likely to get that from you, you're not desirable to us and you have nothing to fear from us. The small minority of us (and it's a very small minority - less than 3%) who do enjoy sex with straight men understand your fears and are not going to have sex with you unless it's clearly and completely understood on both sides to be on a peer-to-peer basis and your requirement for full and complete consent and need for discretion is honored.



The thought of gay sex is repulsive. Well, it will come as some surprise to a lot of heterosexuals to find out that, to a lot of gays, the thought of heterosexual sex is repulsive! But does that mean the discomfort of some gays to heterosexual couples should be a reason to deny heterosexuals the right to marry? I don't think so, even though the thought of a man kissing a woman is rather repulsive to many homosexuals! Well then, why should it work just one way? Besides, the same sexual practices that gays engage in are often engaged in by heterosexual couples anyway - prompting the ever-popular gay T-shirt: "SO-DO-MY -- SO DO MY neighbors, SO DO MY friends."



They might recruit. The fear of recruitment is baseless because it is based on a false premise - that gay people recruit straight people to become gay. We don't. We don't recruit because we know from our own experience that sexual orientation is inborn, and can't be changed. Indeed, the attempts by psychologists, counselors and religious therapy and support groups to change sexual orientation have all uniformly met with failure - the studies that have been done of these attempts at "therapeutic" intervention have never been shown to have any statistically significant results in the manner intended, and most have been shown to have emotionally damaging consequences. So the notion that someone can be changed from straight to gay is just as unlikely. Yet there remains that deep, dark fear that somehow, someone might get "recruited." And that baseless fear is often used by bigots to scare people into opposing gay rights in general, as well as gay marriage.



The core cause of this fear is the result of the fact that many homophobes, including most virulent, violent homophobes are themselves repressed sexually, often with same sex attractions. One of the recent studies done at the University of Georgia among convicted killers of gay men has shown that the overwhelmingly large percentage of them (more than 70%) exhibit sexual arousal when shown scenes of gay sex. The core fear, then, for the homophobe is that he himself might be gay, and might be forced to face that fact. The homophobia can be as internalized as it is externalized - bash the queer and you don't have to worry about being aroused by him.





The opposition to gay marriage stems ultimately from a deep-seated homophobia in American culture, borne out of religious prejudice. While many Americans do not realize that that homophobia exists to the extent that it does, it is a very real part of every gay person's life, just like racism is a very real part of every black person's life. It is there, it is pervasive, and it has far more serious consequences for American society than most Americans realize, not just for gay people, but for society in general.





Why This Is A Serious Civil Rights Issue



When gay people say that this is a civil rights issue, we are referring to matters of civil justice, which often can be quite serious - and can have life-damaging, even life-threatening consequences.

One of these is the fact that in most states, we cannot make medical decisions for our partners in an emergency. Instead, the hospitals are usually forced by state laws to go to the families who may have been estranged from us for decades, who are often hostile to us, and can and frequently do, totally ignore our wishes regarding the treatment of our partners. If a hostile family wishes to exclude us from the hospital room, they may legally do so in most states. It is even not uncommon for hostile families to make decisions based on their hostility -- with results consciously intended to be as inimical to the interests of the patient as possible! Is this fair?



Upon death, in many cases, even very carefully drawn wills and durable powers of attorney have proven to not be enough if a family wishes to challenge a will, overturn a custody decision, or exclude us from a funeral or deny us the right to visit a partner's hospital bed or grave. As survivors, estranged families can, in nearly all states, even sieze a real estate property that a gay couple may have been buying together for many years, quickly sell it at the largest possible loss, and stick the surviving partner with all the remaining mortgage obligations on a property that partner no longer owns, leaving him out on the street, penniless. There are hundreds of examples of this, even in many cases where the gay couple had been extremely careful to do everything right under current law, in a determined effort to protect their rights. Is this fair?



If our partners are arrested, we can be compelled to testify against them or provide evidence against them, which legally married couples are not forced to do. In court cases, a partner's testimony can be simply ruled irrelevant as heresay by a hostile judge, having no more weight in law than the testimony of a complete stranger. If a partner is jailed or imprisoned, visitation rights by the partner can, in most cases, can be denied on the whim of a hostile family and the cooperation of a homophobic judge, unrestrained by any law or precedent. Conjugal visits, a well-established right of heterosexual married couples in some settings, are simply not available to gay couples. Is this fair?



These are far from being just theoretical issues; they happen with surprising frequency. Almost any older gay couple can tell you numerous horror stories of friends and acquaintences who have been victimized in such ways. One couple I know uses the following line in the "sig" lines on their email: "...partners and lovers for 40 years, yet still strangers before the law." Why, as a supposedly advanced society, should we continue to tolerate this kind of injustice?



These are all civil rights issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with the ecclesiastical origins of marriage; they are matters that have become enshrined in state laws by legislation or court precedent over the years in many ways that exclude us from the rights that legally married couples enjoy and even consider their constitutional right. This is why we say it is very much a serious civil rights issue; it has nothing to do with who performs the ceremony, whether it is performed in a church or courthouse or the local country club, or whether an announcement about it is accepted for publication in the local newspaper.





Why Does Conservative Politics Find Gay Marriage So Deeply Threatening?



As George Lakoff, in his excellent book, "Moral Politics" points out, conservatism is based on a "strict father" metaphor of morality, in which a wise father (church or political leader) sets the rules, and the children (the people) are disciplined to comply, thereby gaining self discipline, and with it, autonomy and self-sufficiency. For a complete understanding of this metaphor, which is beyond the scope of this essay, I would refer readers to Lakoff's book, but inclusive in that metaphor is a set of moral boundaries established by the "strict father," who is, in this case, the moral authorities of the church and the political system working in concert. These moral boundaries exist in society, in the conservative's view, not just to keep people on the straight and narrow path to autonomy and self sufficiency, but primarily to maintain social order and discipline, and that is their primary purpose. Compliance to the established moral boundaries implies acceptance of the legitimacy of the moral authority figures who established them, and it is this acceptance of the legitimacy of this moral authority that is viewed as the very basis of social order. Hence there is a deep investment in the legitimacy of the moral authority, often presumed to be none other than God himself.

Therefore, someone who moves off the sanctioned paths is doing something much more than just acting immorally; he is rejecting the goals of the society in which he lives; he is calling into question the purposes that govern most peoples' lives, but he is also doing something even much more threatening: By deviating from the standard, ordained "path," he is showing people that other paths are possible, and that those other paths may not neccessarily be unsafe to tread upon, nor is society harmed by his actions.



By so doing, he calls into question the legitimacy of the moral boundaries he has violated, and hence, the competence and legitimacy of the moral authorities who established them. Since moral boundaries are the very essence of conservative politics, the very basis of conservatism itself is brought under implied threat.



As serious as that is, the threat goes beyond even that: When the "deviant" treads his forbidden path, and not only gets away with it, but ends up living a happy, fulfilled and contented life with no harm done to himself or society, the conservative himself feels cheated, in having observed a set of boundaries which have proven to be unneccessary and arbitrary. And in doing so, he feels cheated of his own freedom of action, even if he had not himself bumped up against those particular boundaries. The conservative thereby feels he is being implicitly invited to abandon those moral boundaries and join the "deviant" in accepting increased freedom by rejecting moral authority. Fear that others may reject these apparently arbitrary moral boundaries, and hence question those who decreed them, and cause society to fall apart, is the reason for the conservatives' deep paranoia about the mythical "gay recruiting" and the equally mythical "gay agenda." Hence, conservatives have a deep emotional investment in keeping gays repressed through the maintenance of this particular set of moral boundaries, just as they did in maintaining their moral boundaries underlying racial segregation in the Deep South a generation ago and slavery a century before that.



How then should conservatism, as a political movement and a way of life, come to grips with the reality of gay marriage? In precisely the same way that it has come to grips with its errors with regards to racial segregation: own up to its mistake, and simply expand its moral boundaries to include gays and gay marriage. Just as most older conservatives now acknowledge that they once erred in "keeping blacks in their place," they should make the same acknowledgement for gays and their right to marry, and live happy, open and contented lives in each other's arms, without fear or discrimination - that gays are just as entitled to the equal protection of the law as anyone else, and the 14th Amendment to the U.S. constitution means what it says and applies to gays as well. No "slippery slopes," no "slouching towards Gomorrah", no "end of civilization as we know it"; just freedom, liberty and justice for all.


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