How can gay people love children and be parents if they don't love themselves?

Question

That's right I'm done with being all politically correct wih u guys. Some issues need to be addressed.U know if gay people wanna harm themselves I feel bad for you and still pray for u.
BUt I'm sorry Children crosses the line.
U guys were not given the ability to make children for a reason. I know some hetero couples can't either. But guys u know that's a ridiculous marginal argument. Of course they should have children. U guys lost that right when u went against God. Lo chldren are an heritage and a gift from God. U are stealing. U claim that hetero couples can be abusive and messed up and all that. More than gay "loving" parents.

First of all two wrongs don't make a right.
2 gays don't make a baby.

You are not in love you are in lust. That is the truth. I can't baby u guys anymore.U are in lust. I'm not saying u can't love.I'm saying u guys don't know how to love yourselves or u wouldnt be hurting your bodies.I will pray 4 each of your children.U will see God's inervention.

Answer 1

Oh sweetie, you need to get out more. You're 18?? Christ, you haven't even begun. No wonder you don't know any happy gay people, at age 18 they are just coming out and figuring themselves out, no one is happy at that stage.



Grow up. No really, grow up. Meet gay people that have been out for 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years. Meet people who have been with their partners for a lifetime. Read books about gay life, learn on your own instead of expecting your friend to be your token. Do the research on gay parents yourself, it all shows that our kids turn out fine. LEARN about the world around you for yourself, then you will actually know enough about what you speak.

Answer 2

Gay people can love themselves, often times before people come out they are seriously depressed and that is a good contributing factor of suicides (aren't Christians against suicide?)



Two gays don't make a baby, unless they use a surrogate, you are right. But in that case, when they do make genetically-linked babies, the state dosen't take them away, do they?



If gay people wanting children is so wrong, then why are there so many children waiting to be adopted? There are so many children that want a family, if you think that the children will be harmed by being adopted by gays then why don't you super-right Christians band together and adopt all of the children that are waiting for parents? That is millions of children. Unless you think that having them in orphaneges and going through the mental abuse of feeling like nobody wants them is better than having a stable home. I know if I was waiting to be adopted, I would love to go to a super-flame couple of guys, because if they are strong enough to come out and face the ridicule from people like you, I know that they would be able to handle anything that I could throw at them. Just because people are gay dosen't mean that they didn't have a childhood. They remember how they were reared and they were by a mother and a father, so "learning to be gay" is totally not going to happen. They understand feelings and they have souls.

Answer 3

Are you serious, are you seriously saying that "Gays" cannot love each other?? I just cannot believe that someone could say such harmful things, I am gay, I love myself, actually more now than I ever did when I was "Straight". I was living a lie, we never have gone against God and I am very spiritual, I feel I have a good relationship with God and if he truely "hated" Gays then why I am here, why do I have the heart that I have, why do I love the way that I love. You have got to sit down and ask yourself, how are we, "Gays" hurting our bodies and why is it any of your concern, we do not get into your lifestyle, we do not interfere with your life at all, so my advice is to you....learn to get a better relationship with God and truely learn how to love the right way. Thank you very much. A very proud ******!!!





It all makes sense now, I do not mean to come down on you, but looking at what you just said, you are only 18, you ahve no idea what the world posseses, please do not make judgements before you truely understand and if your best friend is "Thinking about getting out??"...first of all you cannot just get out of being gay, it is not a choice, trust me we would not choose to talked down do, to be discriminated against and have people like you all in our business. So to your Best Friend ask him if he truely is Gay or if he is just experimenting. Please stop judging people and maybe, just maybe you might be a little bit happier with your life and you might want to think about taking some higher education courses. Once again thank you very much, a very, very, very proud ******!!!

Answer 4

*** I sent this email to her ... hopefully it will help open her eyes. But, I feel she is too far gone for any help from us.



"I'm an ordained Minister through New Horizons Ministry. And I happen to be gay. Please, for the love of God ... stop the judging and hatred toward the other children of God. He has a plan for all of us and I don't think you are teaching the right things. Stop being such a hypocrytical bigot and leave well enough alone. If you have any questions about the gay lifestyle, please ask someone who can give you the right answers. Don't just assume you know everything, because you are far from right.



P.S. I do have a son. His mother was a crack-whore who had no means of taking care of him. So, I adopted him after she had given birth. It was tough, he was dependent and the care that was needed only God could help me with. So, please stop this now before you must face God yourself and explain your actions against the human race."

Answer 5

*blink*



"if gay people wanna harm themselves I feel bad for you"



Gay people aren't hurting themselves by being gay. If homosexuality made them a threat to themselves or others it would be considered a disorder... which it's NOT. Homosexuality in and of itself also does not impair day to day functioning in any aspect of life. Check the DSM-IV (the big book of mental problems). You will not find homosexuality anywhere in there. Check with any relevant qualified authority... they will tell you the same.



"U guys were not given the ability to make children for a reason."



No one is "given" the ability to procreate. You either possess the ability or you don't. "Making babies" isn't a divine gift, it's a biological function. If some people DON'T or CAN'T perform that function, there's no "special reason". There's an explination, yes, but it's not part of a "plan".



"I know some hetero couples can't either. But guys u know that's a ridiculous marginal argument... U guys lost that right when u went against God"



I doubt there's anything that's more "against God", at least in your eyes, than being an atheist. Therefore, as an atheist, I'm sure I'm considered by you to have "gone against God". Why then have I given birth to a son? Why do I have such a "right"? There's nothing "marginal" about equating those unable to reproduce with their mates with those unable to reproduce with their mates. Certain heterosexuals make a conscious choice to either become involved with or remain involved with mates who cannot, for whatever reason, bear children. If doing so is a "sin" for homosexuals, why not so with heterosexuals?



"U are stealing."



Stealing from whom? This bit doesn't make a lick of sense.



"U claim that hetero couples can be abusive and messed up and all that"



They can. Deny that and you deny the statistics.



"two wrongs don't make a right.

2 gays don't make a baby."



I believe we just covered this. (1) Being gay isn't "wrong" and (2) Not being able to make a baby with ones partner isn't an "evil" thing.



"You are not in love you are in lust ... u guys don't know how to love yourselves or u wouldnt be hurting your bodies."



AGAIN, homosexuals aren't hurting themselves or others. Your one homosexual friend does NOT represent all homosexuals. If your friend is confused or depressed, that doesn't mean all homosexuals are the same. Your subjective exposure does not constitute an accurate cross-section of the gay existence.



"I will pray 4 each of your children"



They don't need your prayers. All they need is being provided to them by their parents.



"U will see God's inervention"



A nonexistent being cannot intervene.

Answer 6

You have no proof that gays don't love themselves. I could argue with u all day, but it would be a waste of time. Point is- I have 2 kids, 5&6 years old. You have never met me,you don't know me and I WOULD kill for my kids. My children are happy and we say prayers every night and are like any other family. So don't tell me that we can't love our kids, or that we don't love ourselves. You don't know me, so don't judge me. You just think you know so much on something that you really have no idea about. And as for your gay friend-who cares,that's his choice and I am sorry if he thinks he is hurting his self. We as people are indivisuals,we are not all the same. You need to grow up and worry about yourself-not everyone else!

Answer 7

Parental love is unconditional, for almost all of folk. And so the mother and dad would maximum likely come to words with their youngster's debatable sexual selection, and perchance change into softer on their evaluations about homosexuals. If this fails, and they cope with their baby badly because of it perchance the youngster will be Aiken into the care of yet another relatives. if you're terrible sufficient to effectively disown your baby because they are gay then you actually should not be allowed to have toddlers. in reality, mum and dad who're homophobic ought to no longer placed their toddlers in somebody else's care in the experience that they re gay, yet when the youngster will be emotionally or bodily abused with the help of their mum and dad as a effect of popping out the closet then it will be a sturdy theory for the youngster to be surpassed to a extra loving significant different and toddlers, for the sake of their safe practices and nicely-being.

Answer 8

Take up my earlier challenge.

Do volunteer work with abused kids.

They are the ones you should be praying for. Go and see all the things parents - hetero parents - do to their kids.

Don't ignore what I write.

Do it. Get a reality check.

It will take your definition of "depraved" to a whole new level.

Or read transcripts of court cases, open your newspaper, watch the evening news.

See all the stories of abuse, molestation, prostitution.

Then explain to me again why we are worse than these people.

Why they are better parents than us, because they can procreate.



p.s - I love myself... or is that I "lust" myself... either way, I'm happy with my lot. So there.



Jeezums Crikey she is only 18! There is hope for her yet!

And talking to three gay people from your age bracket is not indicative of the gay population as a whole... so don't draw conclusions from that small pool.

Otherwise, I'd think all 18 year olds are like you - righteous, ignorant, homophobic, religious to the point of fanaticism, selective in which parts of the bible they preach....

I'm so happy you are only 18. I thought I knew everything back then too.

Answer 9

you seriously need to find something else to do instead of coming here and repeatedly posting the same, judgmental Q&A and condemning us all the time. who are you to assume the role of God and pass judgment on others? YOU have your own issues you need to address. and, you're going to stop being politically correct? when were you ever p.c. in the 1st place?

do you even KNOW what love is? you obviously don't....as you seem to be so full of hatred towards us. I am in a committed, monogamous relationship. and it's only because of thinking like yours that we can't get married. and what do you know about us not loving ourselves? I'm not hurting my body, nor am I hurting anyone else. who I am has no effect on you, so why do you think you have any right to tell us what to do? you don't!

I'm not saying all gays/lesbians make good parents, but not all straight parents are good parents either. we can and do have the ability to make children as well.

I am not going against the God who created and loves me. We are not "stealing" anything.

you preaching intolerance instead of love and acceptance, is a sin. perhaps you need to take a step back and learn what being a "true" Christian is all about. because it's not about intolerance and condemnation. only God has the privilege of passing judgment, not you!

Answer 10

Your still here,,, for F u ck sakes...... Why do you think.... Just because you have an opinion, you are right? Take your self righteous bull crap and go on the religious form...... I'm a step parent and I have help raise 3 beautiful human beings..... They are loving and you will never be half the loving person they are...... I would never teach them to lie to them selves... Be something that they are not or to make someone else feel less worthy of a person because they are different..... If so many people are telling that you a not loving, rude, hurtful, when will you get a clue....

Answer 11

I'm gay and I agree, that two opposite sex parents are best for kids. I don't want kids myself, I want my boyfriend.

Answer 12

You know I worry about you - all of your posts seem so hurtful and negative. I can tell there is no love in your heart, your life, you have probably never even seen love in any form.



I cannot even begin to imagine the pain in your heart.



You want so much for us to not love ourselves because in fact you do not love yourself. For this I am also sorry. For you see I do love myself, I also respect myself and live a very good life.



My hope is that one day you can learn to love yourself also and when you do this hate will fallout of your heart and roll away much like a stone.



Good luck in your path in life - I wish you only the best. Things will get better, just hold on a little while longer.

Answer 13

mmmk92, i have a serious question for you. first, i suppose i should tell you that i'm not gay. you are trying to show yourself as sincerely Christ loving and i suppose that you are wanting to do good in some way.



do you really think that this forceful and aggressive "love" could have anything near a positive effect for you? if you really want to help people, you have to back off. did God follow adam and eve around the garden loving and judging them and whining about how they're not doing what He wants them to?



He gave them his love, gave them free will and backed off so they could make their own decisions. and if the decisions were wrong, he gave them the chance to right them all by themselves. did God want to COERCE man into believing or did he want man to CHOOSE to allow God into his heart and life? doesn't it mean more if someone comes to you of their own free will as opposed to being bullied into it? could someone bully you with love to leave Christ and become a Pagan?



how could you know the inner feelings of other people and whether or not they love themselves? and then to make such harsh judgments? you're coming off as creepy. maybe you should leave people alone and allow them to live their lives.

Answer 14

to be 18 you are a stupid person just because your friend want to hurt him self does not mean every gay in the world does and as far as kids go me and my wife have 9 and they are all happy and well looked after and if this is lust it has lasted 16 years now and we don't plan on going our diff ways

Answer 15

If gay people don't love themselves, it's because of people like you who do their level best to shame them, make them feel wrong, push them into questionable "therapies" which make their entire lives an exercise into self-loathing, etc. Your words are like those of the cruel mother who continually tells her daughter she's fat, then gets after the girl for not eating dessert.



And lust does not, as I recently pointed out, endure a bout of uterine fibroids and tell the partner suffering from it that she's willing to donate blood for the surgery, which my wife did. (We have the same blood type, and I made that offer for her once, too.) Lust isn't there for chemotherapy and job loss and natural disasters. Real gay and bi people stand with their partners through these things, however.



Mind your own onions and sort yourself out.



And stop cursing us with the loss of our love, friends, and community, and our children with the loss of the only family they know, in your God's name.

Answer 16

ok same sad story from the same sad people if you could stop shouting and try to listen to others you might find that even though you shroud yourself in what you call gods word its still hate and i do not need anyone so filled with hate to pray for me or my children please crawl back under your rock and relax my goodness have you thought of getting help with your anger about other peoples lives i can only think you have no life of your own and have to waste all your time thinking about ours i feel so sorry for you.as for not being in love just in lust,how do you know what either one is i am sure with your cold dark sour heart there could be no love or lust in your life and that just might be your problem

Answer 17

You are 18 going on 2. If you loved yourself you would not "debate" issues that you so clearly are uninformed regarding and unqualified to debate. You clearly prove, that you lack knowledge and at best you are parroting the asinine sewage you've heard spewed from those cesspools so many call pulpits. Your lack of intelligence and maturity coupled with your obvious and utter lack of anything even remotely resembling Christian kindness and compassion is as much, if not more so, a disgrace to God as homosexual behavior ever will be. Your pointless and asinine argument fails to address Christians who hate themselves which they prove by their intense and utter hatred of all things they do not understand. If you loved yourself and your God, you would not embrass Him or yourself by speaking such nonsense that proves - yes proves - that you do not read or know His Word. I dare say you probably don't care that more is said in the Bible about love and not judging others than is said about Hell, sin and judgement.



Please note how I sign off -



Rev. Dr. - Ph.D., D. Div.



Little one, please don't make my job any harder than it. Read the first epistle of John; I John 4:16: "God is love and who ever abides in love abides in God and God abides in him."



God is not about condemnation. If He were - you and me and all the churches wouldn't be here.

Answer 18

How about this, the children, LGBT people adopt are the children no one else will adopt. It works out because all children need love and LGBT people are just giving these unwanted children the love they need.

Answer 19

WOW YOU'RE AN IDIOT! I'M MORE IN LOVE THAN YOU COULD EVER KNOW, SO DON'T TELL ME WHAT I'M CABALE OF FEELING JUST BECAUSE YOUR FRIEND HAS DECIDED TO CONFESS ABOUT HIS DYSFUNCTIONAL LIFESTYLE! WHO I CHOOSE TO HAVE SEX WITH IS MY BUSINESS, JUST HOW WHO YOU HAVE SEX WITH IS NO ONE'S BUSINESS BUT YOUR OWN! GROW UP! I WILL HAVE KIDS SOMEDAY WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, AND I'LL BE A GOOD MOTHER TO THEM AND TEACH THEM NOT TO DISCRIMINATE, BE RACIST OR HOMOPHOBIC! NOW I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT! I SEE SO MANY STRAIGHT COUPLES NOT TAKING CARE OF THEIR KIDS, LIVING ON WELFARE! I SEE SO MANY YOUNG GIRLS GETTING KNOCKED UP AT THE AGE OF 16, 17 NOW DO YOU THINK GOD THINKS THAT'S OK??? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE, WHO TEACHES YOU TO BE SO IGNORANT? YOUR PARENTS? WELL I CAN ASSURE YOU I WILL MOST DEFINATELLY BE A BETTER PARENT THAN THAT! IT'S THE YEAR 2006, GET OVER YOUR HOMOPHOBIA, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW THE MINORTITY! AND YOU LOOK STUPID FOR IT!

Answer 20

This is just YOUR opinion. There are to many children out there needing loving parents regardless of what their sexual orientation is!! Get over yourself! How many children have you taken in an raised??? You can't force your beliefs on others so shut up!! Believe what you want to believe for yourself and leave everyone else alone!!

Answer 21

WHAT IS UP WITH THIS IDIOT? i was going to go into a heated argument but all of you expressed my thoughts better than i could have. anger was taking over so all im going to do is tell you that you are a total idiot. i feel for your "gay friends" they must be suffering having a friend like you who is so homophobic

Answer 22

I didn't even get past the first few sentences in your rant. You are entitled to feel how you feel and express it. I am, however, entitled to ignore such drivel and move about my life without having to swim through the sludge of your ignorance, insensitivity and lack of love.

Answer 23

First of all, you're only showing your ignorance once again by your comments show little to no compassion for your fellow man.

If you truly are a "Christian" as you claim, you would think twice about making the judgements you have here.

Secondly, you've hardly ever been "politically correct" with anyone here. Insted you have continually insulted us, called us names, posted inaccurate information, shoved your personal religious BELIEFS down our thoats. (I highlighted the word "beliefs" because not one of the things you post are based in any kind of FACT. They are merely your personal opinions.)



I was certainly given the ability to "Make children" as my SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD son PROVES!

Again, an erronious comment based in shear hatred and ignorance on your part!



The Marginal argument is to say that gays are not physiologically JUST as able to CONCIEVE children as ANY HETERO!

It's OBVIOUS to anyone with half a brain that an egg/ovum and a sperm are necessary to actually concieve, so don't even start. To say that comparing infertile hetero couples to homosexual couples because they cannot concieve without outside help is in anyway "marginal" only shows your lack of ability to reason as a human being.



Please get off your high horse. If you can't even bother to correct your grammar, you will not be taken seriously. A word beginning with the letter "H" is NEVER preceded by the word "an" in the ENGLISH LANGUAGE!

This error only shows that either you're not all that proficient at the English language, or that your lack of this most basic knowledge is due to English not being your primary language.

Either way, it most assuredly shows your lack of care for your readers.



"2 gays don't make a baby."



Do we have to rehash this again?

How many times will you post erronious and completely nonsencical information which isn't even true?



"You are not in love you are in lust. "



How is it that you are so sure of this? Are you involved in a homosexual relationship? Have you ever known love at all?

Until you are in any one of OUR shoes, living any one of OUR lives, keep your filthy lies to yourself!



" That is the truth"



Who's truth, certainly NOT my truth, not my partner's truth, not the truth of ANYONE posting here.

No, it's simply your sad truth that you know NOTHING of love, it has never touched your life and you are sadly on the road to never being able to know it until you stop hating others AS WELL AS YOURSELF!



Your rants here only reflect your hatred of yourself and your lack of the ability to self love, self satisfy and self care.



"I'm saying u guys don't know how to love yourselves or u wouldnt be hurting your bodies."



Exactly how am I "hurting" my "body"? I'm curious now. You've made one completely rediculous statement after another. You have no proof, no evidence, not even a decent accusation...insted all you do is post lie after lie after lie.



I pray for your very soul!

My child is WELL cared for, thanks, but NO THANKS!



My child needs no prayers from anyone so filled with hate and anger!



My child has been a blessing, too bad you can't ever know what that means.



My child is a joyful gift and brings light and love into every life he touches.

It's a pity you will NEVER know that joy a child will bring. Your heart is hard with anger, turned to stone with hate. The only "love" you'll ever know is for Your master, the DEVIL!

Answer 24

well..if they are true to themselves...which they are..than THAT is loving themselves...the ones who don't are still in the closet,which is no place for a person to live...

i am straight but have know many "gays" personally,some in very long lasting and LOVING relationships.....so what does your religion omit the part about thou shall not judge ????? or your just ignorant.

Answer 25

What's the point. You are unbelievably ignorant.



You have all these notions on what makes people tick on which you base all your conclusions.



Ever heard of the phrase: "garbage in, garbage out"? Making conclusions on garbage beliefs, yeilds garbage conclusions.

Answer 26

I am not gay and I am a christian. My position is this. If more people(in particular, so called believers in God)would resign themselves to concentrating on making themselves a better person, rather than judging and criticizing others, we could all live in better accord.

Answer 27

boy talk about being uptight!!well i am gay,and i have two beautiful children.they asren affected by my chouce in sexuality,,in fact they are learning to be openminded and not to judge people .I tell you what ,i may not be perfect but by god you arnt either,,when you are perfect and can walk on water go get your soap box and climb on top and preach your little hearts out.BUT until you are,,shut your big mouth,,

Answer 28

Wow, your narrow minded viewpoint doesn't stop does it?



You really need Psychological help. Lithium works!





Oh, as far as the "love" thing goes, I've been attached for over 6 years now...where is YOUR man?

Answer 29

I think you should get out more



I mean, do you really think that we care what you have to say? feels like you're the one who doesn't love yourself, I'm perfectly happy and don't attack people, you, on the other hand... think about that ...you're so full of hatred

Answer 30

In swear I thought that I had seen it all. Your ignorance goes farther than I have even seen by other fanatics on here. If you have any brain at all, please remove it from that book, the bible. Then apply some common sense. Or are you too brainwashed to be capable of independent thought?

Answer 31

Gay people are obviously more capable of love than anyone with your mindset are.

Answer 32

how do u know if they don't love themselves god don't care who ur and at least 2 lasbians won't overpopulate planet that was is good about them bless all lesbians gays strait or crooked with love

Answer 33

How dare you tell us what we are and feel.

There is no god so you are the deluded unhappy one

you are a freak that needs therapy





EAT A D.ICK

Answer 34

what makes you think gay people don't love themselves...if they didnt they wouldn't have come out of that closet of theirs...gay people are people too u know...they can show the same love to kids just like us heterosexuals

Answer 35

first of all.. god doesnt exist.. and you wont be seeing your supposed gods intervention because you HATE which is totally against your precious religion.



and if there were 2 gay women, they could make a baby simpleton.



you are a twit.

Answer 36

Just come out of the closet dude....I'm not even gonna say more.



God bless...

Answer 37

I'm gay and I love myself.



I'm going to pray for you.

Answer 38

There is just no reasoning with a religious zealot! Not matter what the religion!

Answer 39

im not gay,but thats not true any body thats human loves!!!we have a heart then we can love!! and yes they make good parents even better then a man and wife sometimes cause we have all kind of people good and bad!

Answer 40

How do you know what people think? You only know your own thoughts.

Answer 41

gay people are capable of loving children

Answer 42

You are so blissfully free from the ravages of intelligence.

Answer 43

I gave your boyfriend herpes.

Answer 44

........Judge all you want just keep the verdict to yourself.......