Question:
Why do you think people are born gay? I dont...?
Chicken Head
2007-01-15 00:16:59 UTC
Ok...I noticed that lots of gays and lesbians believe their born gay and it isn't a choice. But why do you believe that?

So if your born gay are you born an alcoholic too, or born to direct movies or even born straight but at age 50 had sex with a man, so I was really born gay?
Please express your opinions I want to know what you think.

Oh yeah I'm gay^^
26 answers:
anyone
2007-01-15 00:50:00 UTC
I don't know that such a general statement can be applied to people. We're usually born with a little something between our legs and most of us grow up to have a desire to do something involving that between-the-legs place, but to say that you take the actions you take because you were fated to it at birth is to deny responsibility for your actions.

All human beings have a male parent and a female parent, biologically. Mammalian genetic programming would seem to be inherently heterosexual. No children are produced by same-sex unions, therefore no person could possibly be gay by genetic inheritance.

People say that because of the battle between "straights" and "gays". Each side makes extreme, unfair, unproven and unprovable statements to further their arguments. One says "God made me gay" and so the other says "God hates gays". One says "It's natural to me" so the other side says "It's completely UN-natural". There is no common, objective middle ground and no agreement. We are so caught up in the extreme statements made on both sides that we no longer care about what might be actually true: people have sex because they're horny. People love because they want to be loved.

Maybe people are born with the desire to connect with others, but precisely WHO those others are going to be will be decided later in life, along with how committed they will be to their loved ones and whether love is as important as sex and whether or not to have children. We are genetically programmed to have children, but we still choose whether we will or not.

This may not be the answer you were looking for, but it's all I have right now.

I guess maybe there's one more thing: People who aren't gay and don't understand it suppose that it is just a matter of what kind of sex a person chooses to have, without considering what sexual activities a person is interested in. You probably know that you are gay because you are attracted to people of your own sex, whether you have sex with them or not, the attraction is there. Sexual attraction doesn't start at birth, but it also doesn't go away just by telling it to go away. The moderate and reasonable point of view is that for whatever reason, people like what they like. If people like things that hurt other people, we might have a social obligation to stop them, but if people bring joy and love to one another, we really have no right to interfere.

Best I can do. I'm a breeder after all.
lauritachiquitabonita
2007-01-15 00:55:51 UTC
I think that because of my own personal experience but I'm more curious about you... when did you decide to be gay? How? And more importantly, why??



ETA:

Well, I didn't realize it until I was 20. That doesn't mean that I wasn't born that way?



I did make a choice -- a choice to act on my innate feelings. You say you were just attracted to men and not to women. Isn't that something you were born with? Or did you choose to be attracted to men?
T
2007-01-15 00:37:43 UTC
Maybe you did write "why do you think people are born gay" rather than "do you thing people are born gay," but by immediately following your question up with the statement "I don't" it really changes the context of the question, and probably made every person who read this think you were asking if it really is from birth that you are gay, and that you don't think it's true. Anyway, think what you want, I don't care. I know that I gravitate towards females, and probably always will. Wanna know how long this has occured? For as long as I remember!!! Imagine that, I must have been born gay.
2007-01-15 00:25:33 UTC
first off, i'm straight, but i believe gays are born that way. why would anyone want to choose a lifestyle [let's admit it: homosexuals face lots of discrimination and hate] that's much harder? also, the temperature of the mother's womb is a factor, too. let's not forget the gay and bi animals...if homo/bisexuality was unnatural and required thinking to reach a decision, i doubt there would be too many gay/bi animals; decision-making is a complicated thing.



alcoholism: i can't say, because i am NOT knowledgeable about alcoholism, but i would say it is not your genes but the environment you were raised and in that affects whether or not you are an alcoholic.



directing movies: i doubt your EXACT job is determined by your genes, but i think your talents and interests are.



born straight but had sex with a man: that's bisexual, not straight or gay...



[EDIT]

someone posted that www.gaytostraight.org site. i just visited, and eugh...it's so different from my beliefs, and so biased ): well i guess it needs to be, because they're selling this book, but still...bleargh...i never understood why some parents cannot accept their child with a 'radical difference' but insist there MUST be a 'miracle cure' [ie. homo/bisexuality, mental/physical illness or disability with no cure known]. i would feel horrible if my parents tried to change me like that ):
Rageling
2007-01-15 01:23:56 UTC
I don't remember choosing my sexual preference. Oh and yeah actually you ARE born an alcoholic, it's a genetic trait passed down. Many people who have had known alcoholics in their family will refrain from drinking just not to risk it.



You say you chose but if you chose then that means that you are attracted to women to which means you aren't gay you're bi. If you aren't attracted to women then I don't see how you can say it's a choice. I don't choose when I get turned on. You must have one odd libido.



Re-read that and you admit that women don't turn you on which means that you didn't choose!
San Diego Art Nut
2007-01-15 00:31:29 UTC
Why were you born with the head of a chicken?

I have been gay since I can remember. There have been times when I did not know what it was but when I found out, Nellie bar the door! It was just so much more natural for me to have sex with men than with women.
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2016-12-02 12:15:56 UTC
i understand many gays which aren't in any respect abused and performance not in any respect puzzled their sexuality. There basically exists no correlation in sexual abuse and homosexuality. This pronounced it being surely impact does not delay to scrutiny nor does sexual abuse. human beings kill them selves over being gay no human being kill them self of ingesting meat because they basically can not stop, No vegetarian is ashamed to be a vegetarian no vegetarian question is they are somewhat a vegetarian This annihilates all of your arguments hostile to homosexuality being a decision. Now the ball is on you courtroom hit it decrease back with why it isn't innate. EDIT: "and that i'm able to agree that society does impact human beings yet what's to assert that it doesnt impact thier sexuality??" each and every gay human being I really have ever spoken to might want to assert that, as you study in which childrens are raised less than the same impacts yet have various sexualities. Now who's to assert it does impact their sexualities? extraordinarily a lot purely heterosexuals and how the hell might want to they understand. "and to operate yet another get mutually... .i changed into informed this with information from a canines coach...jus saying" that doesn't have any component to do with homosexueal ", i imagine I really have considered captivating females yet i opt for to be with a guy because i love adult males and each and everything about them..." that's an admitting you're born heterosexual and for this reason implying the same is real for being homosexueal "if birds have gays sex to entice the different sex then they are ulitmately immediately yet finding out on to be gay for a 2d basically to attact a lady penguine.." Your information of it truly is? "nature isnt a good get mutually because" And yet you take advantage of nature 4 circumstances in you argument. heavily you're basically making it worse if that's a debate
Jeff
2007-01-15 00:41:12 UTC
there is a big difference between sex and gender..



we are born with our sexual feelings... this includes whether we are born with a penis or a vagina.. it also includes sexual orientation.



who in their right minds would "choose" to live a life where they are constantly getting critisized by you and many others?



do people choose to be left handed??? think about that one...



you have fallen prey to society norms..



why is it ok to be left handed when 90% are right handed? it is not natural, isn't it???? nope, of course not. some are just born that way...



same goes for sexual orientation.. society says being gay is unacceptable, but it certainly is not unnatural.
2007-01-15 07:27:21 UTC
I never made a choice.



I knew I preferred males from about 8 -- my earliest memories with any sexual content were with other bois and I never had any thought of sexual contact with a female -- although I knew how straight sex worked, it always meant nothing to me, and still does.



So, from an anecdotal perspective, its pretty clear that I was born gay.



And what you are using yourself is anecdotes, so I presume that anecdotes are acceptable as proof within the discussion construct that you have created..



Beyond that of course, the most compelling things are the fruit fly study, the various studies of identical twins and the genetics assay performed by Dr. Camperio-Ciani and colleagues -- which showed one of the methods via which homosexuality becomes both genetically viable and evolutionarily preferred.



We may even be near to determining the penetrance of the gene or genes responsible for homosexuality (about 50% give or take would be my guess as to what the eventual number will be determined to be).



As for "turning gay" which is the implication of your discussion of the 50 year old man. Not possible. Now there are a couple of things that do happen. I had a 38 year old friend recently come out -- I never dreamed he might be gay -- he was married at one point. I always assumed he was straight. The fact was, as he admitted after coming out -- that he always knew, but he also knew his mother would reject him entirely (she did) and he was afraid. So, he had sex with a woman for whom he felt nothing, and spent the first 25 years of his sexual beingness pretending to be straight, and thinking about guys to be able to perform with women. Sad? Yes. Uncommon? No. I've known others. So that is a possibility for the 50 year old.



The other possibility is that the 50 year old was a bisexual, who kept his feelings for males "in check" for many years (after-all, even if there are not significant stops, as my friend had, within the family, society prefers people to be heterosexual, and it is easier for a bisexual than a homosexual to appear to fulfill its strictures.), but who always had stray thoughts about how hot/sexy/attractive guys were -- and who finally, for whatever reason, had a sex act with another male. In that case, quite often, the man goes through a crazed all male stage. That doesn't change the fact that he was bisexual while having sex with women, and is bisexual now, while having sex with men. Given enough time and good health, his interest in women will also reassert itself.



To finish, the straw-men you set up are not compelling. Obviously the idea of a man born to direct movies is facetious, but if you mean some men are born more naturally creative than others -- then I challenge you to find 50 women who have had more than 3 boys and assert to them that all their sons are equally creative. You will learn that in fact, some are more creative from a very young age -- so there is a recognizable genetic predisposition toward creative, which may lead to directing movies in some cases. As for alcoholism, very few serious geneticists would agree that there is no genetic component. In fact, genetic penetrance comes into play again on this topic. For some people with a predisposition toward alcoholism it takes years of drinking to kick in, while for others, the single glass of wine starts them on a life of fighting alcohol...



In short, your assertion is, while interesting, unsupported by anything other than anecdotal evidence -- and the anecdotal evidence is either weak and easily refuted, or false - as is the case with your various straw-men constructs. Anecdotes from other persons and the solid research going on in the field all strongly indicate that in fact, homosexuality is inborn.



Kind regards,



Reynolds Jones

http://www.rebuff.org

believeinyou24@yahoo.com
BuckFush
2007-01-15 00:26:36 UTC
Some things just are.The explanations may be theories and perhaps they may be right.Perhaps not.But the fact is, somethings have no answer when you try to dissect it with so many variables.You take away the answer by stretching the question.And in the end the answer can only be because that is just the way it is.
Confused
2007-01-15 00:21:01 UTC
i was born Bi because i know that i want to only like girls, but i cant, its not a choice. I didnt wake up one day and say i think im going to be gay, im just attracted to guys ( and girls, but mostly guys)
soundofwhite
2007-01-15 02:42:58 UTC
i believe i was born gay. deep down i've always known, i can remember having crushes on girls when i was like in year 3 or 4.
guitarherofairy
2007-01-15 00:23:37 UTC
Uhh.....cause we've always had attractions to the opposite gender? Also recent studies by Swedish researchers have confirmed that gays' pheromone receptors in their brains act like that of the opposite gender.
J.
2007-01-15 00:25:35 UTC
Guess again. Sex preference is Genetic. That is why the human race continues.



When the preference is opposite, you have no problem. You never question is it Genetic or is it Environmental. Frankly, it does matter, but there is food then there is sex.



With preference is same, you get all righteous. You question if it is Genetic or Environmental. If it Genetic, you have no cause. But if it is Environmental you believe the change of life style is need for salvation.



In the final analysis, you are bigot.
2007-01-15 00:20:56 UTC
I thinks some are born that way and others decide to go that way.
DEATH
2007-01-15 00:21:09 UTC
SCROLL DOWN AND READ THE ANSWERS TO THIS EXACT SAME QUESTION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ASKED HUNDREDS OF TIMES PREVIOUSLY!!





Come on, is it really too much work for you guys to just SCROLL DOWN?



I'm NOT going to even humor you with a ligitimate answer besides this because I'm just so sick and tired of explaining it to ignorant people who aren't willing to just SCROLL DOWN!
Tara
2007-01-15 01:10:51 UTC
i dont believe i was born as a lesbian...i believe bein a lesbian/gay is an idea that grows up the more u grow up...
~Twisted Sister~
2007-01-15 00:20:29 UTC
I know i was born gay, i've been digging on chicks since i was 5.
2007-01-15 01:05:05 UTC
Of course not, it is a choice that opens them to a whole new temporary lifestyle, most are just....mmmmmm, I won't go there Buddy!
john john
2007-01-15 00:20:33 UTC
you say you are gay?

then you know the answer to your question
Plum
2007-01-15 00:34:19 UTC
oh YAWN!!!



What difference does it make to YOU?



OK, by your reasoning: I chose to be gay; you chose to be gay.



And?



Now what?



Get over it.



.
2007-01-15 01:35:36 UTC
Maybe you got to choose...I didn't.
2007-01-15 07:35:04 UTC
Oh..Oh...ohohoh....I'm laughing SO hard.....................

You're SO cute.....this is SO funny! LOL!!



You CHOSE to be gay because WOMEN DON'T TURN YOU ON.



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OOOOOOOOOOO

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Too too too funny.



MADE MY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



.
2007-01-15 00:19:40 UTC
people are not born gay , being gay is a way of life
abetterfate
2007-01-15 02:18:57 UTC
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2007-01-15 00:25:00 UTC
www.gaytostraight.org


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